Serephim Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 The raygun is NOT that bad srsly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimensionWarped Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 If you honestly think I could have read that post, and then written and posted that within a single minute... you know what, nevermind. Just assume I was ignoring you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheonix Gamma Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I already stated there's less knockback and the bullets don't have as long a tail as before. Thus, it is significantly less effective. So...I did make that point. Also, never assume, ass out of u and me, etc., etc. And there's a hole in the scenario anyways: how can you B air (assuming you mean bair, or back air) when you're holding a gun already? You can't. The player would have to hit you, THEN get the gun, turn, aim, and fire. Either way, it's a moot point. You let one item in, you let them all in. Maybe if we have an itemless tourney simultaneously, you can enter that, but in the item tourney, everything's fair game. tl;dr: Argument's a waste of time. This is why we can't run a tourney fucking harmoniously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimensionWarped Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I take it you've never seen homerun contest videos have you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheonix Gamma Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Human players aren't sandbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shadix Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I said like fifty thousand times that I'm assuming it is the same as it is in Melee. You haven't made any effort to correct me on that.In any event, the scenario assumes you are starting with the targeted player in the air above the pit, as though put in that position by a typical b-air. THEN the other player does the laser juggling. If it is like Melee, it is basically unavoidable for the vast majority of characters. Oh, and don't act superior just because you pirated the fuckin' game early. Two weeks of experience is very, very little for SSB. Err... Wow, I don't think PG was playing the superior card as much as he was just informing you to quite making assumptions about something you don't actually know whether it works or not. If anything I'd say you're playing the superior card here. So yeah, I can't wait to get this game to play in this tourney >.>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimensionWarped Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 @Shadix: Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that at first, but as he presses on, it seems more and more like he just wants to omit, conveniently forget, or blatantly misrepresent info to support his point. And he is using the fact that he has been playing the game already as some kind of "I know more than you" catchall. More humorously than that even though, is that (at least in Melee) you can still use BAIR, DAIR, UAIR, Up Smash, Down Smash, and every B-attack with the raygun in hand. I don't know if this is true for Brawl, but I'm thinking you weren't saying that anyway. In any event, I wasn't trying to say human players were sandbags. I was however pointing out two things. 1. You can change from weapon combat to regular combat and then back again within very small intervals 2. You can still use attacks that don't involve the weapons while holding the weapons. In any event, this is why tournament guys don't play with items. Its because of the black and white mentality that since some things are unbalancing, that means you shouldn't use everything. And your notion mirrors that. You want all items to be in regardless of the effects of the individual ones. Personally, I can't stand playing with hearts on. It just isn't any fun when someone gets one in a 1v1 game. Does that make me a hypocrite for still wanting to have most of the rest of the items in? I guess it does to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowgoten Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Ok, assuming PG is with me on this, we'll let the tourneys play out with all items for the first and probably 2nd one, after we all have gotten our feet wet with some FRIENDLY face offs, then we can open a thread on what items you guys think are mega overpowered, if there's enough of an opinion voiced against it, then we'll talk about turning that particular item out. Honestly though, I haven't had a raygun douche shoot at me much, in the event that it does happen, I try to work around it. In my play style I think it's a douchebag move to pull some stupid shit like that, when I knock you out, it's cause you got knock the fuck out. Not because I prevented you from coming back in with a cheap attack. This is how I play though, not expecting you all to play like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ila Posted February 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 As for me, I play an aerial Jigglypuff. I look forward to the fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligar Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I'm confused on who to play with @_@ so many potentials. I can't pick them all >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimensionWarped Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Honestly though, I haven't had a raygun douche shoot at me much, in the event that it does happen, I try to work around it. In my play style I think it's a douchebag move to pull some stupid shit like that, when I knock you out, it's cause you got knock the fuck out. Not because I prevented you from coming back in with a cheap attack. This is how I play though, not expecting you all to play like that. Playing with tourney___s has made me a little meaner than that. Getting edgehogged and having my PK thunder eaten has made me wizen up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephim Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Im all for items, but seriously in 1v1 matches i actually do perfer no items. Unless it isnt an E-peen match, then we can go all out with the items on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheonix Gamma Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Ok, assuming PG is with me on this, we'll let the tourneys play out with all items for the first and probably 2nd one, after we all have gotten our feet wet with some FRIENDLY face offs, then we can open a thread on what items you guys think are mega overpowered, if there's enough of an opinion voiced against it, then we'll talk about turning that particular item out. Actually I was going to motion towards NO ITEMS FOX ONLY FINAL DESTINATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But that way works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimensionWarped Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 All matches are E-peen matches. Why should it be all on or all off regardless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ila Posted February 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Once we get some tournaments played and stuff, we can decide on this. for now even I'm up for all items to start out with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimensionWarped Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Having hearts in will break my heart </3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowgoten Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 it's alright dee dubya, not everyone here plays like a tourney dork. We obviously haven't played brawl, so let's let it roll for the first couple of brackets, and then see how it goes from there. By then we'll have formulated opinions on how the game plays and how certain items should be handled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligar Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Having hearts in will break my heart </3 Now THAT I agree with. All the hard work gone TT-TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tentril Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Having hearts in will break my heart </3 You could always make "treaties" with people you play against for the first couple of tourneys. That way, if its someone agreeable, they won't use items like Hearts that just make the other player cry. BTW I'm totally with DW on the raygun. That thing sucked. However, it could be better in Brawl, so starting with items and then making exclusions is a good plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephim Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 All matches are E-peen matches. Why should it be all on or all off regardless? I dont know. Me and my friends usually turn them off during 1v1 matches, its kind of customary. We did this years ago, when it was all neighborhood matches and no clue of what a "smash bros tourny" was. All items on for fun, nuke crazy matches, items off when we get serious. (which was only after a full 20 stock match full of shit talking and then a 1v1 to settle it, and another 5 1v1's after that to SETTLE it settle it. Ahh, smash brothers is such a great game... Items off was never a hellworthy rule for me from the tourny___s. Its the stage limitation that pisses me off. But the "items off" rule went in effect for only 2 reasons: 1) items frequently rape the camera, and 2) theres no "IT WAS [X] FAULT I LOST". However, if the stage did it then thats fair game. I find stage-based deaths to be skill related as well, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 If you guys are worried about items, then why not do best-of-three matches? That way if the other guy gets a stroke of luck not all hope is lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephim Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 that works fine. Like i said, Items off are only for purposes when you just really want to shut someone the fuck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamerdude Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 The only one who would know the answer to that is PG Wrong, I can answer too . PG, if I can figure out how to put in a WEP key for the Japanese Wii...we should duke it out...I just don't know if the Japanese keyboard corresponds with the US keyboard at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slingerland Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Everybody is Jigglypuff. No items. Play at Hyrule Temple. The only move you're allowed to use is Rollout. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligar Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Fun ensues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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