Falk Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Essentially the basic idea Lake and I came up with is that we're going the Sonic CD/Colors/S3&K route (and, very loosely S4E1) where each act in a zone is a remix or very related music. Extrapolating from there, assuming someone doesn't have all 3 acts planned out from the get go (or even if he does!) a different person doing the remix for Act2/3 can bring a fresh perspective. That being said I guess the main concern at this point is where the different things different people bring to the table make the tracks stray too far from each other, plus how to even open each other's project files in the first place. (wav stems are the obvious answer, but that makes it hard to rearrange/reharmonize/etc) edit: Also that being said if someone has an amazing idea for all 3 acts in a zone and wants to execute it, that's fine and dandy as well, with the (lesser) headache here being making sure the music sounds at least believably cohesive across the entire soundtrack. As in not 8-bit in one zone and then full-blown orchestral the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ristar Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Wait we have to work with other musicians for ATS? How the fuck would that work? Most musicians I've ever talked to have extremely different ways of writing and playing. Every musician has their own quirks that are hard to get working together that's collaborations though; loads of games use a few musicians, many of which use different methods. Sonic 3 & Knuckles, for example, had more than 5 different songwriters working together and I think that game had an amazing soundtrack. I think best idea for a cohesive soundtrack is to have 1 or 2 people mixing/mastering it. Falk's right with the wav stem idea; though I'm not sure DAWs like FL Studio can output wav stems. we're all mixing and writing on our own audio systems which may be radically different (I'm using ESi Near05 Classic monitors) so the mixes will sound miles apart. If one or two people mix everything then the sound differences will be less drastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesuperinvader Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 I think the only way a collab effort would work like this is one musician per zone. The remixing of anothers work is a cool idea but in practice it seems extremely difficult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeFeperd Posted January 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 you guys can feel free to use BTS as an experiment to see if this way of working works. And then, when it is done, you guys will have a better perspective and skill to take on ATS just be careful and avoid at all costs making a step back because this is a TRAP! and it will hold you back to te point of the project never being released. that's probably why most fan games are never completed what i mean is that some projects keep redoing its first zone over and over again. just keep in mind and... it's very very early and the background isnt 100% done yet i call it: "Glycolysis Glacier Zone" or "Glucose Glacier Zone"... it's a water level and btw i'm using the quick_scale.mfa DW made, hope he don't mind me using it @BlazefireLP i actually didnt know what Dithering was =/ i'll see what i can do about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckboy Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I think the only way a collab effort would work like this is one musician per zone. The remixing of anothers work is a cool idea but in practice it seems extremely difficult Alternatively collaborating musicians could learn to work together cause they aren't children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ristar Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I have no beef with remixing other people's stuff; like Falk says, it can bring a fresh new perspective to tracks. Also, I wouldn't be TOO worried about (composition-wise) the tracks sounding really different because if a main melody or chord progression is kept in mind then there will still be a link. Look at Hydrocity Zone, act 2 is almost a different song altogether apart from the use of act 1's lead melody. Having done Act 1's 2's and 3's a few times before, I know that you can get seriously sick of the same theme, so someone else working on it can be a big help. Anyway! "Glycolysis Glacier"? I'm not a fan of the dithering on the snow (or sugar). It makes it seem dirty; a cleaner, "block" shaded style would look loads better. A bit like: http://ristar-cluster.info/fun-stuff/hints/freon-freeze.png and http://www.gameosaurus.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sonic3.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimensionWarped Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Glycolysis... as in sugar cutting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailsSena Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Glycolysis... as in sugar cutting? Breaking down glucose into ATP I believe... Why call a zone that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesuperinvader Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Alternatively collaborating musicians could learn to work together cause they aren't children. im not implying that, I'm implying that musicians have different methods that dont necessarily mesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falk Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 That's why bands and ensembles don't exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeFeperd Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Anyone got a better name for it? well, it kinda makes sense with the concept, i think @Ristar it is sugar but, yeah it is supposed to be kinda dirty, after all, you are stepping on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falk Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Sweet Mountain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazefireLP Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 you guys can feel free to use BTS as an experiment to see if this way of working works.And then, when it is done, you guys will have a better perspective and skill to take on ATS just be careful and avoid at all costs making a step back because this is a TRAP! and it will hold you back to te point of the project never being released. that's probably why most fan games are never completed what i mean is that some projects keep redoing its first zone over and over again. just keep in mind and... [qimg]http://i.imgur.com/l2kPs.png[/qimg] it's very very early and the background isnt 100% done yet i call it: "Glycolysis Glacier Zone" or "Glucose Glacier Zone"... it's a water level and btw i'm using the quick_scale.mfa DW made, hope he don't mind me using it @BlazefireLP i actually didnt know what Dithering was =/ i'll see what i can do about it As long as non of the graphics that come with it are used, it should be fine. Falk: *cough* SonicColours *cough*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeFeperd Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 ok... here is some more too much sugar D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephim Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 ALL OF MY MONE- oh wait Ahh, feperd. You are everything i used to like about sonic fangames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ristar Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Sugar Spring? Sweet Sluice? Frosted Fortress? Delicious District? How about Sugar Sierra? So is this lake made out of syrup or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Cocaine Coast Zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesuperinvader Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 That's why bands and ensembles don't exist! XD like I mean over the internet Ughhhhh I suck at explaining things XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailsSena Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Cocaine Coast Zone. That actually makes sense. And it's the funniest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckboy Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 You don't HAVE to go the alliteration route you know. It'd make naming levels easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawr Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Diabolical Diabetes Zone. But seriously I am gonna agree with Duckboy, I understand the alliteration thing seems to be a popular choice but sometimes the names just sound completely stupid no matter what way you try and spin it haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleberson Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Towers Empire Zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephim Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Diabolical Diabetes Zone. oh god, so much win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ espeed Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Gratuitous Glucose Zone? ... ...I give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeFeperd Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 yeah, so i'm going to call it sugar mountain zone now... i'm not trying to be offensive but i'm going with the alliteration route. i know it's is possible to bring creative ideas without using the alliteration but i just dont care, seriously so... Glucose Glacier Zone? Sugar Skid Zone? Sugar Swamp Zone? edit: "Glucose/Glycolysis Glacier Zone" was in my mind for so long that i thought them were perfect for the zone, it still reminds you of sugar but doesn't reminds you of food wich is something that kirby games do a lot(Grape garden...) @Ristar nah, it's just normal water but i think i've made a gimmik that has something to do with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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