Aaron C-T Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 "I want to see the world go upside down!" Quoted for great justice. And I agree things like that would work (where the hell have spikes gone since SA- possibly SA2 as well?). Still though, how do you sit a mech in front of me that's idiotic? At least the mechs, if nothing else, should be clever. It just doesn't make sense otherwise. It's like sitting a brand new computer in front of me, top of the line, and I try and run a rom of Sonic 3 and it explodes. It just doesn't make sense. Mechs are supposed to have some sort of higher AI or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 One thing that I liked about the old sonic 2-D games is that when you collect all the chaos emeralds, you can turn into super sonic, or tails, or knuckles. But in the 3-D versions, (Adventure 1 & 2 etc.) You can only transform in the final boss, or extra stages, plus collecting the chaos emeralds is part of the story so you don't have much of a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidimanNull Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I have no idea what this topic really is about. TRD brings up an important point, the emerald factor played a part in the 2D games' originality and plot. Without all the emeralds, you didnt have a good ending, and always got a teaser at the end of the game. With the emeralds, you can go back in the game with a game save ( depending on the game ) and play as any of the characters, but with the ability to transform mid-stage and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aki-at Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Yeah and the Chaos Emeralds have the ability to do everything now! not only can you harness great amount of energy, but you can even bend time and space and do time travel and all that shizzle too! Chaos Emeralds for you everyday household needs! I wonder if Sonic Team remember certain gems called "Time Stones" and yes, I want less Chaos Emerald involves plots for once! use them for the good ending or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I have no idea what this topic really is about. The topic is the comparison about the 2-D genesis sonic and the 3-D sonics. What's better about the 2-D one and what the 3-D one lacks or could use work on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephim Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 XD. I just got all A ranks in SH a while back, and I can assure you, I still hate it.Sonic Heroes is hated because its even less of a Sonic game than Sonic Adventure is. Case closed. And Sonic Rush is turning out to be more fun than them all. DS ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorSatyr Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I don't even want to play Sonic Rush now. All these complaints have turned me off of commercial Sonic for a while. That, and the opportunity cost of me getting a Wii... ;_; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssbfalcon Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I'm just hoping that they don't mess up the Wii one... Maybe, just maybe the 'on rails' nature of the game really does work out being good... Just a hope, a dream really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimensionWarped Posted November 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 On Rails is just a guarantee that it won't be a Sonic game at all. Its not a question about whether they mess it up or not, its just a spinoff. Its like saying they can mess up the Mario platforming franchise by making Mario Party games. The difference is that they manage to convince people that 3D Sonic games are still Sonic games when they aren't. They are just a speed oriented platformer with Sonic in them. EDIT: And Seraph, Sonic Rush really isn't that great. As I said, it is still lacking stuff at fundamental levels that the classic Sonic games have and the current Sonic games show no prospect of ever gaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosol Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Sonic Team could've made a grand re-use out of the time stones, but now they've kinda killed it now. Why use time stones when chaos emeralds do the same thing! And I wanna know. where the hell did all the chaos shards come from. I know they aren't relevant to any of the game plots but still, wtf. 3D games lack the OOH WHAT LIES AHEAD IN THIS SIMPLE GAME feel, there's was always something new. Sonic games now have us guessing at plot, where we should be guessing where the next bonus ring is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimensionWarped Posted November 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Sorry guys, but time stones were always stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Don't forget the Super emeralds, They make sonic, or tails, knuckles turn into there hyper forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klonoa Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 One thing I noticed is that Sega keeps adding new moves to sonic which aren't really needed or useful. Like that sliding kick he has in Sonic heroes or the advance games. Most of the time a simple spin dash would do. Speakin' of spin dash anyone notice how in Sonic rush the new boost thing has totally made the spindash obsolete? I hope Sonic and the secret rings will reedem sonic back to it's former glory....or at least a sequel to Sonic rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosol Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 which reminds me. in sa2, for some reason, hitting an enemy whilst rolling would sometimes stop you. what's up with that? And yes DW, I agree the time stones where a bit silly but if sonic team had used those for a plot device instead of the chaos emeralds, then they would be able to put the emeralds back into special stages. Sorta like Sonic Heroes actually. The next step would be to have super sonic in levels. I imagine he'd play something like metal sonic did in sa, just faster and invincible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shadix Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 One of the gems in Nextgen acts pretty much like the boost in Rush. The boost function gave me a sick satisfaction with the speed in Rush, causing me to crave it when I wasen't able to be boosting around at top speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron C-T Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I think we need a reboot. Wipe the slate clean, pay attention to/take suggestions from your damned fanbase and just start the hell over. Heck, S3&K would be a great place to start being that Sonic Team likes having rival characters. Retell that story (which spanned two game cartridges for the win). Throw in SA's Adventure Fields and the humans. Throw in sexy women-friends for Sonic to partake in beastiality with. Make it so that this is the "first" time Sonic has ever faced Robotnik and no one knows him as a "Hero" yet. I think that'd be the best possible thing that could happen at this point. That is, assuming they actually listened to us which isn't going to happen 'cuz they know the community will buy their stuff no matter what. ... I'm tempted to write a fanfic or something now. Klonoa: Not necessarily. You need to have your bar filled up. Sonic Team should've planned it out more and made it harder to fill up your bar (harder than going to the nearest vertical spring and hitting buttons 20x). That would've made you use the spindash a lot more and made you conserve the rush abilities for sections where your fighting an annoying badnik, shoving a block, or getting to a special stage. Not just to dash around a level like a mad man. The way rush was implemented proves that Sonic Team halfasses. It could've been a neat addition that didn't simply replace spindash, but they just kinda shoved it in there. I'll admit it- I like Rush. I like it because I Rush is as close as we'll probably ever get to a decent sidescrolling Sonic, so I pretty much accept it. And it is a better game than SAdv2, imo. Slide kicking would be incredibly useful for enemies that could only be attacked from underneath or sliding underneath doors (how you could tumble under a gate in SA2 never quite made sense to me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klonoa Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 One thing I noticed lately is the lack of snow/ice levels. Sure they had them in the advance games but recent 3d games haven't had them. I think Sonic and the secret rings might not be that good. Sure it looks cool but notice how you move forward automatically, this makes the game very linear, plus you don't have much control really, move left/right,homing attack, boost and that's kinda it right? I wonder what boss battles will be like? Sonic heroes/Sonic advance 2 style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosol Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 you know scatta, how sonic could homing attack a robot into oblivion but couldnt do the same to a damn gate never quite made sense to me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shadix Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 One thing I noticed lately is the lack of snow/ice levels. Sure they had them in the advance games but recent 3d games haven't had them. I think Sonic and the secret rings might not be that good. Sure it looks cool but notice how you move forward automatically, this makes the game very linear, plus you don't have much control really, move left/right,homing attack, boost and that's kinda it right? I wonder what boss battles will be like? Sonic heroes/Sonic advance 2 style? ...err... There was one in Next. I don't think Sonic likes freezing his quills off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosol Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 yea, im pretty sure he prefers to run around in areas where he could drown because he still can't swim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tentril Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Can you run on water in the new game? I'm pretty sure that wasn't in Any of the 3-D ones. I miss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Can you run on water in the new game? I'm pretty sure that wasn't in Any of the 3-D ones. I miss it. New as in next generation sonic? I don't know but in the other 3-D sonic, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron C-T Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Ice Cap was redone for SA, and there's a snow level in Next. In Wave Ocean you can run over water, however, I was watching a video jacked off of Sega's FTP and some guy died like 2 times in a row in that segment for no apparent reason. Not only was Sonic not moving as fast as you think it'd be requird to run across water, but he wasn't actually running- he was sliding along the water. That would create drag more than anything else (maybe why they have him moving so slow?). The way the player died made little sense. He was sliding along the water, they went around a bend at he hit the wall. He instantly sinks. Death. I guess touching the side of a wall (not running head-on into it, just grazing it) causes you to completely lose all momentum in less than a second. The second time makes even less, he's going around this same bend and gets close to the wall, from what I saw he didn't even graze it or anything, suddenly he's thrown downwards. Death. ::shrug:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosol Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 that's another freaking stupid thing. skidding on the water? what the heck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidimanNull Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Sonic is actually defying gravity IS THAT SOMME POWOERUPZ I SEE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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