Blues Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Is in shaders and lighting. View the following images, they are of Oblivion and Morrowind in that order. You can tell which one has "superior" graphics. But lets take these two scenes and disable the lighting effects by turning on full lights. Judging from those images alone they could very well be from the same game! It seems that the biggest difference between the generations of games is lighting and shaders, huh. I just thought it was interesting. It suprised me the first time I realized it at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron C-T Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Eh.. doesn't surprise me at all. I mean... haven't you heard of bloom and other such "great" effects? Someone please link that VGCats strip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Helper Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=224 I love that comic . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roy Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 You're definetly right, Blues, but either way... Oblivion is still one damn gorgeous game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckythemutant Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 I think Roy wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Uh.. duh? What the fuck? Is this news to someone? Of course the "next-gen difference" is all in the shaders and effects. Why do you think the only major upgrade in each new graphics card is a new shader version? DX10 is just a bunch of new rendering techniques. The models will always be as low poly and plain as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimensionWarped Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Koray hits the nail right on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxSonic Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 I'm looking at DeadOrAlive 2 Limited Edition for Dreamcast and not seeing much difference in DeadOrAlive 4 for 360. Resident Evil 4 looks better than a lot of Next-Gen games too. Although I must give credit to GearsOfWar for being the best looking game I'v ever seen. Sony likes to talk about net-gen AI. There's only so much AI necessary in most video games (the exception being stratagy games). I was playing Resident Evil 4 yesterday, and it scared the hell out of me when the hooded guys hid behind the building and waited for me to walk out. I mean, how much better AI is really needed for those type of games? Can you imaging Marvel Ultimate Alliance with ultra advanced AI. I don't think it would make the game any better. Resident Evil 4 roxz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Posted March 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 You're definetly right, Blues, but either way...Oblivion is still one damn gorgeous game. Yea Oblivion does look great, one of the best looking games i've ever seen. But it still sucks ass compared to Morrowind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roy Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Mhm, I was just making a point. There's a reason why Morrowind was GotY and is still in my X-Box, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khorney Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 well, morrowwind was the peak of the last gen, and oblivion was one of the first releases of the new gen, so surely the gap is going to be less great than then say ut 2003/4 > gears of war (or unreal 2 isn't it, anyway, GoW uses the unreal engine) or the eye tearing beutification that is GRAW2. sweet shits that game is purty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephim Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Is in shaders and lighting.View the following images, they are of Oblivion and Morrowind in that order. [qimg]http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8634/oblvlightinghg4.jpg[/qimg][qimg]http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7571/morrlightingrr0.jpg[/qimg] You can tell which one has "superior" graphics. But lets take these two scenes and disable the lighting effects by turning on full lights. [qimg]http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3591/oblvnolightingfn2.jpg[/qimg][qimg]http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2645/morrnolightingqn1.jpg[/qimg] Judging from those images alone they could very well be from the same game! It seems that the biggest difference between the generations of games is lighting and shaders, huh. I just thought it was interesting. It suprised me the first time I realized it at least. Technically, no, its not a big deal. Visually obviously is a different story. IF you take Halo 2 and strip away its Bump Mapping, its a pretty medicore looking game. And if you look close enough, Super Mario Galaxy wouldnt look HALF as good without its lighting effects. Yea, its pretty simple to say that "lighting is the nextgen difference", but light is what makes 3D games 3D in the first place... So i think it would be a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SefirothDB Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Better shaders, lighting, physics, animation and less limits for the scope of a game. When all of it comes together, it's mindblowing. Screenshots often don't do justice to next gen games. You've got to see them in motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephim Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Better shaders, lighting, physics, animation and less limits for the scope of a game.When all of it comes together, it's mindblowing. Screenshots often don't do justice to next gen games. You've got to see them in motion. QFT. Just saying lighting isnt that important in a 3D game is like saying your heart isnt important for your survival. Thats why im still pissed at the pretty low upgrade Nintendo gave the Wii from the Gamecube. The orginal Xbox i believe is still capable of producing better looking / on par games with wii, because it was capable of a much higher Resolution output. (Which is completely bullshit, Nintendo. That makes no sense.) Or at least i believe so. The only game that has good looking resolutions on Wii (so far) would be Smash Brothers Brawl or Galaxy. I believe its the Wii's fault mostly because Metroid Prime 3 (minus the lighting and partical effects) in its last screens of production looked IDENTICAL to Metroid Prime 2. Retro Studios is responsible for Metroid Prime, and every game they have been responsible for (Both Metroid Primes and that canceled game) have pushed the gamecube. Either Retro ignored updating the graphics, or they diddnt because there wasnt much they could upgrade. I can see not really bumpping up the textures or anything, but keeping Gamecube level polygon counts is kind of...lame. But about the Motion part, yes, pictures dont do justice. Unless we're talking about Sonic Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Chaos Zero Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 And it is for this very reason that the Wii has such a dramatic advantage in the market with it's new gaming concepts. Graphics don't impress me at all, I can have more fun with Gradius for example than a lot of newer games. Another example? God of War II is far, far superior than any game on the PS3, by leaps and bounds, yet it's on the PS2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosol Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 That's not fair PC0. It has mainly maiming and manly booby oggling. but to those ends, i'd like to point out how football (both english and american) games tend to only push the hardware at the beginning of a generation. What's up with that EA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Chaos Zero Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 It has mainly maiming and manly booby oggling. EXACTLY. I rest my case. Besides, PA agrees with me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicProject Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Look, I think the GameCube's and Wii's graphics are just fine the way they are. It's not like we're still stuck in the 8bit generation. If I expect impressive visual effects and detail, it's in a movie because it is what I'm paying for. I'm not one of those, whom I consider to be fools, who buy the same damn game every year with minor upgrades in graphics and updated rosters. Madden comes to mind. Madden earned some respect from me with their Wii release however. I still need to give that a shot. I'm not buying games for their visuals, I understand some expect better than average visuals and not eyesores but how much better can visuals really get in our lifetime? To sacrifice price for realism and detail is foolish. You don't need realism and detail to play a video game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodee Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 I still play games from 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roy Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Comb yo beard, I don't wanna see that shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckythemutant Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Aw is that captain planet? Shit, I think I see captain planet. I'm gonna fuck him up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephim Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Last Generation wasnt really ugly at all, but now that we're able to see better looking things on other systems, its just sad how it APPEARS that the Wii is stuck in the last gen with better lighting effects. I mean, so far, every Xbox port the Wii has gotten has looked WORSE than the Xbox version... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron C-T Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Dude, we already went over that entire issue in another topic. Put it to rest. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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