Looki Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Hey folks. I was just wondering if anybody of you is using the HWA version of MMF2 for his games that use Sonic Worlds. I haven't seen anybody talking about MMF2 HWA here yet. HWA means hardware-acceleration, specifically, graphics card acceleration. Usually, MMF2 uses the CPU to calculate graphics, but MMF2 HWA uses DirectX, which uses your graphics card. Benefits: Much faster. I changed the window size to something like 1280x1024, the engine would still run at 60 FPS on HWA, but drops to 30 on non-HWA. The whole thing is just smoother. Even though the FPS counter is saying 60 all the time, some weird lags could appear while the screen is moving. Not in HWA. Smoother scaling & rotation, if the quality parameter is set to 1 (Does not fit Sonic though) Support for pixel shaders (HLSL) to create effects (Underwater effect, color adjusting etc.) The disadvantages are that it's beta (pretty stable, though), full-screen does not work, and some (graphical) extensions are not converted yet, so you can't use them properly, but well, Sonic Worlds doesn't use any third party extensions anyway. http://theclickteam.com/epicenter/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=74202&page=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarkSS Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Most of the time HWA refuses to behave on my computer, and since I tend to use extensions that aren't ported to HWA, I stay away from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Emerald Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Shows promise, but I'm gonna wait for the full version. I don't want to have to deal with all those bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streak Thunderstorm Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I use HWA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Emerald Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I use HWA. And your game's fully-functional, too. So have you encountered any problems with HWA yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbohog Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Are they ever actually going to release the full version? Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't it been in beta for a couple of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Emerald Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I guess things like this take time; I mean, couldn't we the same thing about Sonic Worlds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streak Thunderstorm Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Yes. There were a few bugs that some people encountered. One, some things crashed when trying to use the whole screen. I had to find workarounds [the lightning and flashes in South Island] Also, none of the fade ins or outs work so I had to replace them with alpha channels for now. otherwise, everything runs way faster and lets many people play it without complaining about the frame rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looki Posted February 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Are they ever actually going to release the full version? Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't it been in beta for a couple of years? Indeed - The latest beta is more than one year old Yves (Programmer of MMF2 HWA) promised to release the new beta very very soon, though. You can use Worlds in HWA without any problems, as I said before: It does not use third party extensions. Backdrops, Actives etc. work perfectly in HWA. And yes, the runtime still has some bugs, but I haven't encountered any when using Worlds yet. Oh, btw, the HWA version is a separate exe. You can just download it, try it out (When loading Worlds make sure to set the display mode to Direct3D 9), and if you don't like it, use the normal MMF2.exe instead. Transitions and bitwise ink effects do not work either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streak Thunderstorm Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Yes, HWA is very good for graphic hungry games like Mecha Madness. HWA saved my life, lol. Though I could really use a nice physics plugin that handles normal backdrop collision as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damizean Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Yeah, just watch out on how big you make your backdrops, Streak. You could end up with crashes due low VRAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streak Thunderstorm Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I don't make the BG's that big. I make them tile-able and I use your parallax method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamerdude Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Does anyone still have the HWA 2c beta installation file? Looks like Clickteam is moving servers and the setup file hasn't made it over to the new server yet. Can someone upload it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looki Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Hey, I've sent a PM to Jeff, one of the admins. He fixed the links. http://www.theclickteam.com/epicenter/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=74202&page=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuma Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Actually Looki, you can use ink effects in HWA. I've been able too. I was working on a MM game in MMF2, but every time Megaman changed color, the game drops by 10-15 fps. If I used 8bit sprites, it's no problem, but 16bit of above...just lags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looki Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Hey, you can't (I'm 100% sure.). You are able to use pixel shaders ("effects"). The MMF2HWA exe does not even give you the ability to set/change them! I don't know what happens when you open a normal MMF2 mfa with ink effects in HWA, but I doubt they'd work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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